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Sydney Continuous Integration and Testing Conference

The Continuous Integration and Testing Conference is coming to Sydney. Joe Schmetzer highly recommended the UK incarnation of the conference he attended, so I will definatley be looking to attend this one.

The Open Information Foundation, co-founded by Jeffrey Fredrick and Paul Julius, presents CITCON Asia/Pacific 2007 in Sydney, Australia. CITCON (Continuous Integration and Testing Conference) brings together people from every corner of the software development industry to discuss Continuous Integration and the type of Testing that goes along with it.
  • What: OpenSpace event discussing all aspects of CI and Testing, together
  • Where: TBD, Sydney, Australia
  • When: July 27 & 28, 2007

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Debunking Anti-WatiN bullshit marketing from SWEA

In a previous post, I talked in a closing comment about how some tool vendors are trying to piggyback on WatiN to promote their inferior tools. Well there have been a couple of comments on my blog since from SWEA evangelist, Alex at a Hotmail address.

SWEA is much better product than WATIN. It can save days on test development and maintenance. Any small UI change will require change in the WATIN scripts, but SWEA scripts are more resilient to the UI changes – the control binding is separated from the script code. WATIN is just thin wrapper around HTML DOM, but SWEA is complex automation framework.

You can also try SWExplorerAutomation (SWEA) from webiussoft. SWEA is not free but provides more functionality (Recorder, Data Extractors, internal support for AJAX, more resilient to UI changes scripts) than WATIN.

Ok first things first. This is my blog and not a public forum. If you want to advertise on my blog, you can pay for your adds via Google. It is for this reason that I have deleted these comments.

Let’s debunk these claims one at at time.

Claim #1 SWEA is much better product than WATIN. defines a product as “the totality of goods or services that a company makes available.” WatiN is free and not produced by a company. So I will concede that point SWEA is a better “product” than WatiN, simply because WatiN is not a product at all.

Claim #2 SWEA scripts are more resilient to the UI changes … any small UI change will require change in the WATIN scripts

Now that is complete BULLSHIT. Good script design and development practices have significantly more impact on how resilient a script is to UI changes than the underlying tool does. WatiN supports controls defined as .net regular expressions. Using WatiN Attributes in a control class, allows controls to be defined in a single location and called consistently regardless of how WatiN finds the control. Couple that with Visual Studio 2005’s refactoring support and I am working in UI change nirvana with WatiN. If anyone needs to know how good script design should be done, please feel free to follow my blog post series and learn how to do it properly.

Claim #3 SWEA is not free …

That one is true.

Claim #4 SWEA is not free but provides more functionality (Recorder, Data Extractors, internal support for AJAX …

You can get WatiNRecorder from here, so that is an outright lie.

I honestly don’t know what a “Data Extractor” is, nor why I would need one.

WatiN does support AJAX, and yes there are some issues, however they are well know and being improved every day, so that is another lie as well.

Claim #5 WATIN is just thin wrapper around HTML DOM, but SWEA is complex automation framework.

WatiN is a thin wrapper around Internet Explorer, not just the HTML DOM. One of the key reasons WatiN and Watir do so well are their elegance, simplicity and speed. I personally would not be quoting complexity as a feature or any application.

Honestly, SWEA may be an OK product, however if it was so good, webiussoft wouldn’t need to leave comments on every WatiN related blog post they can find, pleading for people to try their products instead.

I’ll leave the last word on this to a comment one one of my posts from Petey in regard to test tool companies that resort to blog spam marketing : “Don’t forget SWEA. It is so annoying!”

If that isn’t a great reason to not try a tool, I don’t know what is.

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Building a GUI test automation framework: Structuring the project

This post is the third in a series of posts, building a GUI test automation framework. In the first post, I outlined the key design goals of an automation framework. In the second second post I talked to the need for a control file. Since the original posts way back in early 2006, a lot has changed. As a result I am going to re-focus (and finish) these posts on how you can structure and develop a set of simple tests using WatiN.

Ok there are some pre-requites if you want to run these examples. I am going to assume that you are running Visual Studio 2005, SQL Express 2005, nUnit 2.4.0 and we are using the job site starter kit as our test application. I was planning to use the .net petshop 4.0 for this article, however it wouldn’t install with Windows Vista.

Ok assuming you are up and running, let’s get started.

The general structure that I like to follow for this type of project is to have a single solution broken up in to several projects. The standard projects that I like to have are Controls, Framework and Tests. In this example I am also going to add a fourth project to hold the site URLs.

Once I have these projects in place I set up the classes so they are all using single namespace that is then subdivided in a similar fashion such as: JobSite.Controls, JobSite.Tests and JobSite.URLs.

You can download the solution with the basic structure from here. I have set up a Codeplex project to store the source code for the examples in the rest of this series of blog posts. In the next post we will get seriously back on track and start putting our test framework together.

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